Ian Bicking: the old part of his blog

Re: Theres so much more than rails comment 000

Good clarification.

While I want to support the idea that it should be a natural thing to integrate an existing app/sub-app or to develop a piece of your system in a different framework/language because it is by far the better tool for that purpose, you're also right that having a complete story is preferrable in a large number of situations. The reaction I'm having is because Rails and Django (and at a only somewhat different level, TG) so far don't seem to be considering (or are rejecting) the heterogenous reality you refer to.

But maybe I've also been ignoring the point of your plan, which is that this is all perfectly fine because we won't need to convert the philosophies of any frameworks (an effort bound to fail), we're just going to create an interoperability between frameworks (including frameworks that haven't been written yet). So there only has to be agreement on how to integrate, no agreement on how much or how little or how best to do things inside a framework. Someone looking for a complete story in a style they like can be happy there, but not have to give that up when they want to add something someone else wrote in a different framework.

Right?

Comment on Theres so much more than rails comment 000
by Luke Opperman

Comments:

Right; you shouldn't force people to reuse and share code. That's just another name for a big all-encompassing framework. Well, you do have to force it on some level, and I want to do that. But that's not about aesthetics so much as functionality. So WSGI is one of those levels; but WSGI is a well-specified API that is very closely tied in heritage to CGI, and in functionality HTTP, both good choices. Eggs are another one of those things. And I want Paste Deploy to also be part of that -- simple and relatively formal ways of indicating configuration and creating an application, as well as stronger promises about isolation than WSGI alone demands. But none of these are meant to be about APIs and aesthetics; I hope that these all can be streamlined and made easy/invisible/automatic by the complete-story framework developers.

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